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Beyond DevOps DORA Metrics

July 29, 2022 / 01:11:32/E107 Download MP3

Bret is joined by Laura Tacho, an engineering leadership coach, to discuss measuring your team's performance with DevOps metrics (DORA) and the new SPACE framework.

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Bret is joined by Laura Tacho, an engineering leadership coach, to discuss measuring your team's performance with DevOps metrics (DORA) and the new SPACE framework. Team Performance is one of Bret's favorite topics, and it should be everyone's concern.

Laura and Bret discuss soft skills, how to implement DORA DevOps metrics, the new SPACE framework, as well as common pitfalls people make when attempting to implement those measurements.

Streamed live on YouTube on June 2, 2022.

Unedited live recording of this show on YouTube (Ep #172).

★Topics★
Laura's course on High-Performing Software Teams
DORA (DevOps Research and Assessment)
DORA Metrics
DORA DevOps Quick Check
SPACE framework
Goodhart's law
Developer Experience
DevOps Handbook
Accelerate Book

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(00:00) - DDT MAIN
(00:04) - Intro
(00:52) - Custom Intro
(04:14) - Main show
(04:32) - Introductions
(05:16) - How Bret and Laura Met
(05:44) - What's Changed for Laura in the Last Couple of Years
(07:26) - Today's Topic and Conundrum
(08:51) - Laura's Course
(11:54) - Laura's Newsletter
(14:48) - Latest Newsletter Topic - Firing People
(16:05) - Firing People is Not Talked About Enough
(17:05) - Choose Your Boss, Not Your Job
(18:16) - DevOps Metrics
(18:49) - What is DORA?
(20:53) - Google Acquired DORA
(21:24) - The Wide Chasm of Teams
(22:06) - Productivity vs Performance
(26:01) - The SPACE framework
(30:08) - Developer Experience (DX)
(33:22) - The Journey: Where Do You Start?
(38:06) - Question: Productivity for In-House vs Contractor Teams
(39:39) - Question: Building DORA Teams from Scratch
(41:22) - Making Life Easier for Your Team
(45:00) - Performance Also Includes Quality
(45:41) - Defficiencies will expose themselves
(47:26) - Work Backwards from CD
(49:19) - What is a High-Performing Development Team?
(51:00) - It's not only about the new people onboarding
(51:54) - Goodhart's Law
(55:40) - Demo/Example
(58:00) - Question: DORAvs DevSecOps, Agile, LEAN
(59:45) - No need for automated tracking to start
(01:02:13) - Question: Handling Retraining and Candidates Leaving
(01:06:19) - Question: Security as a Product
(01:10:20) - Wrapping Up
(01:11:21) - Outro

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Creators and Guests

Host

Bret Fisher

Cloud native DevOps Dude. Course creator, YouTuber, Podcaster. Docker Captain and CNCF Ambassador. People person who spends too much time in front of a computer.

Producer

Beth Fisher

Producer of the DevOps and Docker Talk and Agentic DevOps podcasts. Assistant producer on Bret Fisher Live show on YouTube. Business and proposal writer by trade.

Editor

Cristi Cotovan

Video editor and educational content producer. Descript and Camtasia coach.

Guest

Laura Tacho 🌮

Helping you build a high-performing dev team. VP of Engineering & eng coach, @docker Captain, former @cloudbees @codeship Eng metrics: https://t.co/i6eGYui1vQ

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